Join Chris Orme as he speaks with Andy Harrington, Executive Director of the Canadian Foodgrains Bank (CFGB). With 37 years in international development, Andy shares how CFGB, a partnership of 15 Christian denominations, works to end global hunger through emergency food relief and long-term development. He recounts impactful stories from Rwanda and Ethiopia, illustrating how simple interventions save lives and restore dignity. Andy passionately counters cynicism, emphasizing that empathy and action are crucial in addressing the immense challenge of food insecurity.

This is season 10 episode 1 of the Do Justice podcast.

Chris: Well, hello, friends, and welcome to another episode of Do Justice. My name is Chris Orme and I'm really happy to be joined today by a friend of mine, I'd call him a friend, Andy Harrington. Andy Harrington is the executive director of the Canadian Foodgrains Bank. We call it CFGB over here at World Renew behind the scenes. Some of you might know it that way. But the Foodgrains Bank is a partnership of 15 Canadian church denominations and agencies with a goal to end global hunger. And as I mentioned, World Renew is a founding partner. Andy has over 37 years of experience working in international development, so he started when he was two [both laugh], and working with youth and young adults around the world. And prior to joining the Foodgrains Bank, he was the CEO of the Wellspring Foundation. Andy, that's where you and I had a chance to bump into each other.

Andy: That's right. Yeah, that's right, Chris.

Chris: And Wellspring is an organization with a mission to transform education in East Africa, to foster vibrant communities. Andy travels. He writes and speaks extensively on a number of issues including Biblical justice and the need for the church to release a new generation of justice and poverty-minded leaders. Personally, I can say, Andy, I've been an admirer of yours for about 10 years.

Andy: Oh, gosh.

Chris: And I found you to be a dynamo, an activator. You have contagious energy. I'm really glad that…

Andy: I need to get my wife in on this conversation, actually, Chris. If you could just write a script for her, because she doesn't put it like that. [Both laugh]

Chris: And, you know, your wife is also at the top of my prayer list too, because I know the B side to all of that. But Andy, welcome. Thanks so much for joining us today. I'm really happy that we get to do this.

Andy: Thanks, Chris. It's an absolute privilege to be with you. I've been a friend of yours and a fan of yours for a long time, and also, Melinda, your wife as well. And it's just good to be here. We're really happy to be in the level of partnership we are with World Renew. It's a great organization that we love working alongside.

Chris: Yeah, and we love being part of the Canadian Foodgrains Bank. It's an amazing partnership. So let's get into it. Our audience is diverse and we have friends in the United States who listen to us and all across Canada. So for those who are listening who might not be familiar with the Canadian Foodgrains Bank, could you share a bit about the work that you do?

Andy: Sure. So we're an organisation that's been around for 42 years now and we're one of the Government of Canada's lead partners in dealing with food insecurity. In fact, it's only us and the World Food Program that they have an official relationship with in terms of that. It's really important to note that we're not just an organization that sits out there on its own, though. We're an association of 15 members of which World Renew is one—one of the founding partners—which is a really brilliant thing because we have these 15 associations, all of which represent Christian relief and development agencies, and most of them are engaged with a denomination as you are. They all come together and we're able to just agree on one thing. When you have 15 denominations as wide as ours are, you could get into missiological or dialectic arguments. We agree on one thing. Whenever it slightly goes off track, we just look each other in the eye and we say, "Do we all agree that God desires no person to go hungry?" And everybody just goes, "Yes," and there is complete unity. So it's a brilliant thing. So those 15 members work with local partners so we don't have our own work on the ground as Canadian Foodgrains Bank. We work through our members that then work with local partners, which I think is a really important point at the moment. There's a lot of conversation around international development. Maybe we could talk more about that in a minute. And is it all going to corrupt dictators or terrorists or whatever? And it absolutely isn't. And it most certainly isn't at Canadian Foodgrains Bank. It goes directly to local communities doing everything they can to end hunger. And that's our mission statement: to end hunger. We work with both emergency food relief, emergency food assistance in some of the conflict areas or crisis areas, drought struck areas, whatever it might be around the world. We also do long-term development, working largely with smallholder farmers around the world in order to increase their productivity, putting in things like climate resilient food systems as we deal with climate change. And so that's what we do. And the reason why we do it is there's 757 million people going hungry at the moment. Now, let me just let that figure sink in. 757 million people, some of them right on the edge of starvation. Some of them are in absolute desperate need and being driven by conflict, which is, as we see in the news, all around us. We're seeing higher levels of conflict than we've ever seen in modern history. Being driven by climate change, we've talked about that, the incredible amount of droughts that are sweeping through Africa at the moment. And also being driven by economic disruptions. We saw during the COVID pandemic massive amounts of inflation happening as people couldn't get hold of the staples that they need to survive. And we've seen economic disruption all along. At the moment, I just saw figures three days ago that said that food inflation in Gaza, and we could talk more about Gaza as an example of how all these things come together, is 3000% since February. People are starving there. Children are starving there. So there are many things, and our job is to come alongside that and to end hunger. Last year we worked with over 1.15 million people in 36 countries around the world on over 100 projects, which World Renew worked on right at the front of that, it was great to work alongside you. So that's who we are. That's what we do. We also look to educate people about the causes of hunger and help them to advocate with their governments to say we need to be engaged. We need to stay engaged in order to end hunger around the world.

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Chris: Thanks, Andy. That paints the picture pretty clearly of the job that sits in front of us. And again, it's an honor to be able to do this work with you and with our partners at the Foodgrains Bank. I was excited when you were named as the Executive Director because one of the things I've always really appreciated about you is your ability to energize a story. You're a great storyteller and so I was like, "Okay, this is going to be a fun ride with Andy." One of the things that our audience loves to hear and we'd love to invite you to share a little bit about is: has there been a time where you were really astonished about the impact that the Canadian Foodgrains Bank was having.

Andy: Well, thanks, Chris. I do love telling these stories, but because I think stories are the most powerful way to illustrate truth. If we look through the Bible, the Bible is full of parables and stories. I'm scanning through my head. Let me tell you one that happened last year. So as you mentioned, I used to work for Wellspring and Wellspring had its headquarters in Africa in Rwanda. It's a country I know very well. So last year I was asked if I would lead a team to Rwanda of our new staff. Every new staff member that comes on, we try and take them to the field to see what we do. It doesn't matter what you do. It doesn't matter if you work in the office or in finance. We want you to be part of this. So I asked if I'd lead this team out to Rwanda, which I was glad to do. And it was wonderful to be able to pick up my old Rwandan language, which is very minimal, but made me look really cool because I knew four words more than everybody else on that team. [Chris laughs] We went to see a number of projects, but one of the projects that sticks in my mind is with one of our members, Canadian Baptist Ministries, with their partner on the ground there called AEBR. And it was right up in an area of Rwanda that really does suffer, is suffering from drought. So we got there, it was very hot. We all got off the bus. We did the normal conversations with the local politicians and then we got taken out to see some of the people who were on the project. The project there is what's called conservation agriculture. It's a project in order to help smallholder farmers increase their crop yield. There's certain things we do. It's very, very basic. It would be like, no tilling, crop rotation and mulching—making sure you cover the ground, which keeps moisture in. So we got there and we're looking around, seeing various things and we meet this lady called Jeanette. She's talking to us and they'd obviously set her up to demonstrate some things. And so she lifts up this plant and this plant turns out to be a sweet potato plant. She'd kept this from last year, so this is a plant which has just about three little sweet potatoes coming off it. So it's okay, nothing special. But you've got to remember, this is what's feeding her family. And when I talk farms, I'm not talking a Saskatchewan farm here. I'm talking about the size of maybe the plot of land around your house. Or if you're in a condo, maybe 10 square meters. That's not going to feed much. So she's holding this up and showing us and talking about it and saying this is how we used to grow. But then she said, and she's working through an interpreter. She says, "But that was last year. So I came on the program a year ago. And I went through this training and I didn't think it would make any difference and my husband didn't think it would make any difference.This is what I grew this year." And she pulls two strong guys out. They come out from behind these barriers she's got up and they lift up one plant, but it takes three of them to lift it up. And it's just hanging with sweet potatoes. I mean, I couldn't count them, Chris. I would be crazy to count them, but maybe… 30, 40 sweet potatoes hanging off this, all bigger than the three before. So a tenfold or more increase. And she said, "This is how it is now." We went back to her house and she was talking to us and we met her children. They were saying, "We now have education. We're going to school," because although education is free there, you've got to pay for uniforms and exams and everything else. She's talking about sending them to university. She's got a cow in the garden that she didn't have a year ago. But she also starts talking about how she's feeding the community. How she's helping. She's selling stuff, but also she's really helping other people there. And this was in a year. It was this incredible moment of looking--all the teams just went [gasp] as we saw the difference there and realized, man, we're working with hundreds of thousands of people like this around the world. We're having an impact here. So that was phenomenal. May I tell one other story that came to mind while I spoke as well? Is that okay?

Chris: Yes, absolutely.

Andy: So that was on the long-term assistance side. And the brilliant thing about that is you are not just giving food, you are creating sustainability. She is always going to be farming like that, as well as the hundreds of thousands of other farmers as well. Now, a bit before that, I went out to Ethiopia and this was on the other scale of what we were doing. I went to visit an emergency food assistance program that was run through Tearfund Canada, another one of our members, with a local partner called Terrapiza Development Association. It's an Ethiopian partner. We went to an area that had really struggled. It was what we call, I'm going to be technical here, but I'm going to explain it: IPC4. So we grade hunger on a scale of one to five, it's an international scale. It's called the International Phase Classification System. If we're in Canada, it doesn't exist, but we'd be about plus 10. One is pretty severe. Two is getting fairly close to critical. Three is acute. Four is right on the edge of famine, five is famine. We start most of our food assistance work at level three. It's really serious hunger. This was level four. So they're right on the edge of famine. People are  going to be dying. And I'm sitting on this wall in this courtyard area and it's full of the food assistance that our members and the parlors are bringing there: bags of grain, bottles of oil and everything. And as I'm sitting on the wall just watching this, feeling a bit overwhelmed, there's probably maybe two or three thousand people crammed into this area. It's all well organized. People aren't rioting, they know they're being looked after. But this lady comes and sits next to me and she starts talking to me. Her name was Gerta. I don't understand it, so a local worker comes and translates and what she tells me is that, "I have four children. We've been in absolute devastation. Our land was in drought and we couldn't grow and then the drought broke for two days and there was a massive flood and because the ground was so hard the flood just swept away the village. Everything we had went." And she said, "For the last few months, I've been deciding every day which one of my four children isn't going to eat. I have to go and tell them, "Today you you won't eat.'" And those that do eat are on just survival—I mean, whatever she can scrape up. So you can imagine the devastation of being a mum in that situation and what it's like to tell a kid you're not going to eat today while these three do. And she said to me, "Since this program started, we have enough food for all the family. We're able to eat, we're able to grow. We are now making plans. This is getting us back on our feet. We're now making plans to go back to the village and rebuild." I think—I can't guarantee this, but I think the local agency was also looking at helping them sustain, giving some inputs into that. I can't guarantee that. That's what we were talking about at the time. But she just looked me in the eyes and said, "Thank you." I didn't feel worthy of that thanks. I'm far too removed from this. I think it was the local team, TDA, it was Tearfund Canada. But I know that we were able to provide the funding in order to do that. So it was an incredible moment of just thinking: what we do saves lives. We have a fund that's given to us by the Canadian government and we can match that for every dollar they give us. It's $25 million a year. We can match that—they give us $4 for every $1 we or our members put in. And it has this really interesting line, Chris, because on all these things you have to have an ultimate outcome. What is it you want to do? The ultimate outcome on that grant, which this was part of, is lives saved, suffering alleviated, dignity restored. And I looked at this woman, I thought, "Man, that is exactly what we're doing here: saving lives, alleviating the suffering of that kid that isn't going to eat, and restoring dignity so she can get back on her feet." So those are moments when I've really thought, "Oh, what we do is important! This is critical. This is amazing!" It's very profound for me when I come back and have to deal with all the politicians I deal with and all the things that you need to deal with in my role, that stuff sustains me, Chris. It absolutely keeps me going.

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Chris: You mentioned a little bit about how food security intersects with other concerns like education and the impact of working in food security or working towards sustainable sources of food for folks, it really does have a wider community impact. We want to shift the conversation a little bit. To our listeners and maybe a hypothetical conversation, you know, you're sitting down with someone, you're on a plane, you're about to take off, you could do the usual, "Hey, what do you do?" And you start talking about it.

Andy: Well, this happens probably every other flight I'm on, to be honest.

Chris: Right. And you start talking about hunger. How do you respond to the response that I've heard from people: the problem of hunger is just too big, my contribution doesn't matter. How do you respond to that?

Andy: Over the last few years, those comments have become more pointed. They've become more political. They've become more in line with certain political philosophies. And for people in our world, that's actually quite difficult. But to answer your question, I'd say a couple of things. The first thing I'd say is, "It is big," right? When we talk about 757 million people, you could just throw your hands up and go away. But as I said, we helped over 1.15 million people last year. Our mission statement is that we want to see an end to world hunger. When I first took on this job five years ago, I thought, "Well, man, that's impossible. That's not possible." And what I've come to realize is this: we ended hunger in the worlds of those 1.15 million people. We ended hunger in Jeanette's world and in the world of her family and her community. We ended hunger for Gerta. And what I'd say first of all to those people who might say that is if you were Gerta, if you were Jeanette, if you had a family and you were watching them starve to death, if someone came and gave you the ability to survive, more than that, to thrive and flourish, I think you'd be pretty pleased. So put yourself in their place. I know we can't meet every need, and we're only part of it. There are other organizations doing that. We can meet those needs. So that would be the first thing I'd say: it makes a difference. The second thing I'd say is a wider thing, it's that cynicism isn't the answer here. No one actually solved any problems with cynicism. And I'd go further than that and say: if you believe people with suspiciously large social media followings, you'd think that empathy has become a sin. That caring is a weakness. Caring is the bravest thing you can do in this world that tells you not to care, that says those people are others. They're not like us. We can treat them as objects. I've lived through two genocides, Chris. Sorry, I've lived through one in Bosnia and dealt with the aftermath of one in Rwanda, where they talk to people as cockroaches. When you treat people as objects, it gives you permission to do what you like to them. That is not the world that we should live in. I'm a person of faith, a Christian who believes that every human being is made in the image of God. That everyone deserves dignity and deserves to be treated like I want me and my family to be treated. Empathy is not a sin. It is what we are called to as Christians and I will fight that one to the death with any conversation with anyone. The question isn't: why should we? It's: we are called to and why shouldn't we? We have to be there. This is the calling of the Bible. This is the calling of justice. This is the calling of Jesus who had every opportunity to go and lord it up and actually really care. When you look at what he did, he really cared for those in need. It's what theologians call the quartet of the vulnerable: the widow, the poor, the orphan, and the refugee. That's where God's heart is. When I go to those places, I see the invitation of God saying, "Come and join me." And so I would say to those people, first of all, if you were there, you'd think it counted. And secondly, it's our calling. Not just as Christians, but as human beings to care for one another. Let's not listen to the people who tell us otherwise. It's the bravest thing you can do.

Chris: You mentioned cynicism and cynicism is so easy, eh? But what I love and what I love in your response to that is this: I often point to Canadian Foodgrains Bank as an example of what the church of Jesus Christ can look like at her best. It's 15 denominations and agencies working together to answer that one question. But in an age of cynicism where it's so easy to do—

Andy: It is, Chris. And I'd go further than that. I think in an age of social media, it's so easy to believe whatever you want to believe. Believe the loudest voice that's on there. It's encouraged this sense of, "I heard this and therefore this is truth." It's very postmodern in the sense that truth is what you want it to be. But I mean, it's so interesting. We have a big social media presence. We need to because of the work we do. We've stopped reading the comments below the line because some of them are pretty… Pretty crazy. And I think some of the narrative that's been spread, particularly over the last four or five months, both in Canada and America, of aid being corrupt—I heard a politician who recently said that aid is like a cockroach that calls out from under your plate in a restaurant. I just put my head in my hands. It is so wrong. Any big aid system, any big system anywhere that's dealing with billions of dollars, it's going to have a little slippage and waste in it. But the vast majority of aid gets directly into the hands of local people. All of our aid, actually, at Canadian Foodgrains Bank, goes directly into the hands of local communities governed by local community councils. And so when I start to hear that stuff and hear how people are viewing this and how politicians have kind of swung this story to try and tell us that this is wrong and therefore we should cut it, which is all for their own means so they can do whatever they want to do with tax cuts or whatever they want to do. I know I'm being controversial here, but you've got to sit where I'm sitting and thinking, the cuts that we have seen to aid out of the States in the last few years—in the last few months, rather—it's projected by authority figures that we will see 550,000 more deaths from hunger as a result. And this is awful to me because we didn't have to do that. I'm all for reform. I'm all for saying, "Let's do this better." But just to say it's all rubbish, let's stop it? That's so, so wrong. And I know that may be difficult for some of your listeners to hear. And I make no apologies for that because we're trying to pick up the pieces at the moment. I recently just returned from South Sudan. I stood in front of a childhood malnutrition centre that was being closed that day with women trying to throw babies into my arms. And it was one of 1100 childhood malnutrition centres that were being closed there. It's critical that we care. It's critical that we don't listen to the voices that tell us this doesn't count. People will die or people will stay alive. The choice is on us.

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Chris:  Launching off of that it's important to say what you just said and all of what you just said. I'm like, that'll preach and yes and amen. How and where have you seen hope and abundance emerge in situations that seem defined by scarcity or crisis?

Andy: Well, I can give you a really recent illustration. It goes back to the trip I just did. So back in March, myself and four colleagues and friends from Canadian Foodgrains Bank went to South Sudan. We wanted to get into Sudan, but we couldn't get in. We weren't allowed to get in. But we did get into South Sudan. South Sudan is the youngest country in the world. It's only been around for 14 years. It's been ridden by conflict ever since it was established. It's an area where there's tremendous hunger and tremendous need and it's been made worse because of the war that broke out two years ago in Sudan. So a lot of people have fled over the border from South Sudan to Sudan to avoid the conflict. It blew up in Sudan and now all those people are coming back along with refugees from Sudan. South Sudan, which is one of the poorest countries in the world now, is now being overrun by people trying to flee the conflict to its north. So we went there because we have a number of projects there and we wanted to see those projects. It was a bit of a media trip as well. We were trying to bring attention to the situation there. The Canadian government had given us $4 million recently to work in Sudan and surrounding areas. We wanted to thank them as well as part of that, as well as our donors. So during that trip I saw numerous things that were quite heartbreaking. I sat in a tent talking to a wonderful young woman called Miriam telling me about fleeing from Sudan, losing family, losing everything at the border, sitting in a refugee camp that was really under pressure. WFP were having to cut their rations there because of the cuts to their funding and everything. It just felt absolutely awful, and story after story like this. And as I say, we had been outside that child malnutrition center. I talked to one of our members there, Tearfund South Sudan and they had to cut a ton of staff. They were having to cut programs. So you're not feeling good at this moment, right? It's just like, what the heck is going on here? And then I met this lady called Athoal. And she showed me what humanity was all about. We went to this village where we had been doing a food assistance program and we're hoping to go back there again. In this village, Athoal lived, and she was a mother. She had, I think it was five children. I'm going to say five. It was a large family. And they had nothing. So what she was doing was going out every day to find leaves to try and boil them and I need to tell you, it was 43 degrees when we were there. Those leaves were not luscious leaves like the one I'm looking out of my window. These were dried. She's telling me this story and my heart is just sinking, right? So she's going out to find leaves to boil and that's the only thing she can find for her family apart from a bit of firewood that she can pick up and sell. And then she said, you know, "We've had this thing happening here where trucks are arriving from the border. They're government trucks that are loading all these returnees who had fled from the war in South Sudan to Sudan and now they're returning home. And they're just bringing them to this village and they're just dumping them." And she said, "I decided we need to take them into my family and care for them."

"Yeah, so the government gave you some support to do it?"

"No."

"Well, aid agencies—"

"Nope. It's just the right thing to do. And so what I do is I go out and now we try and find more leaves to boil and we try to find more wood. There is not much wood. But these people are our neighbours," she said. "They are human beings." I just thought, "My gosh. My gosh, this is what hope looks like." She showed me the goodness of human beings. She showed me the power of caring. Now, we're not going to abandon Athoal, but in that moment, I saw Jesus. I'm not joking. I just saw Jesus in it. And it was this place of like, well, we have nothing, but there is an abundance of spirit and love. It was a very beautiful thing, Chris. It wasn't as though suddenly a magical pile of food appeared, but a magical pile of Jesus appeared. It was just incredible. Now, I've had other stories where I've gone and I've seen great need turned into great prosperity. I remember in Kenya a few years ago meeting this um this gentleman who had gone onto one of our programs and he showed me a plot of land that he had kept as it was before, how he used to farm, and it was barren. Then over here is this incredible jungle of amazing things and he had taught all his neighbors how to do this. So they weren't officially on our program but they had 15 other farms in that area that were producing incredible abundance and were feeding that community. And they have moved from a drought situation into absolute abundance, so there's many stories, but I think the one I do come back to at the moment, the one that's right before my mind is Athoal. That's what humanity should be all about. It's not how much we've got. You don't give away once you've got your trust fund. It's about giving. It's the widow's might, I think, is the turn of phrase. But she is saving the lives of people. So I don't know if that's all you're looking for, but that's what comes to mind when you ask that question, Chris. That's abundance for me.

Chris: It's beautiful, man. Thank you. Yeah, as we wrap up our conversation here, I'm grateful for the time to chat with you but I want to give you the mic and just say, what's one thing that you want church members, our supporters, people considering getting more deeply involved and in supporting those most in need, those most vulnerable, those most hungry, based on your experience, what's the one thing that you want to tell them?

Andy: Well… I think I'd ask a question. What did you do when I was hungry? It comes straight out of the Bible, comes straight from Matthew 25m where Jesus is speaking and he says, "Well, I was hungry and you gave me something to eat." You know, he goes on about, "I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink. I was a prisoner, you looked after me. You came. I needed clothes. I was a stranger, you invited me, a bit like Athoal." And then people are saying to him—all these righteous people then say to him, "Hang on, no, we didn't. When did we see you hungry? When did we visit you in prison? When were you a stranger that we invited in?" He goes through all this list. He says, "Truly, I tell you, what you did or the least of these you did for me. And I think the question, "what did you do when I was hungry" is an extremely important question to ask in this time, bearing in mind the context of those verses. At a time when we have 112 million people—according to the last figures I read, but it's probably gone up—112 million more people in hunger than we did before COVID, at a time when one in five children around the world is in malnutrition, and that's going to get worse, we could lock our doors, look at our screens, ignore the appeals that come through. Just switch off from the news, which is a real temptation at the moment with all the bad news. But we could just turn away. But I think we are going to have to answer that question at some point, and we'll certainly have to answer it in eternity. What did you do when I was hungry? So I imagine myself sitting in front of Jesus and him asking me that and I'd like to think I could give an answer. I don't think my answer will be good enough, by the way, Chris. Just because you have a job title and a job doesn't mean that you're a hero. We are just human beings. I know what Athoel will say, right? And she hasn't got much. So what did you do when I was hungry? Because that's where God invites us. He's with the hungry. He's with the brokenhearted and the poor. He's with those at the moment out there. He's with Athoel, he's with Miriam in her hut. He's with those trying to find shelter from war and earthquake and famine and conflict and He's with those who are hurting and in fear, hiding from bombs. It says in that verse, "what you did for the least of these," and that's very much taken from an economic page. I actually think they're not the least of these because I think every human being is priceless. Every human being is made in the image of God. Every human being is unique and wonderful and the world is a sadder place when one of them leaves it. Especially when they didn't have to. So I think that's what I'd like to say to anyone listening. How do we answer that question: what did you do when I was hungry? And it's not to lay a guilt trip. It's just to say: we can make a difference. Don't give in to cynicism. Care. Do the brave thing. Find ways to do something that makes a difference. And that might be with World Renew or Canadian Foodgrains Bank or a member, it might be what you do with your neighbour. It might be what you do with that person. For those of you listening, think of someone you can do right now to answer that question. It may be physical hunger, spiritual hunger, or it may be clothes, it might be thirst, whatever it is. Who are you thinking of that you should go and make a difference with right now? Go and do it. Don't wait. So I think that's all I want to say. Every human being is a human and no one is more human than anyone else, whether you're a president or you're a refugee from Sudan, we're all humans. For goodness sake, let's care for one another as God calls us to.

Chris: Our guest today has been Andy Harrington. Andy is the Executive Director of the Canadian Foodgrains Bank. You can learn more about the work that Andy and his team are doing at foodgrainsbank.ca. Check them out on all the social platforms. Andy, so great to have this conversation with you. I'm always glad when I get a chance to chat with you. Thank you so much for this.

Andy: It's been an absolute privilege, Chris. Thanks so much for having me.